YOUNG: DAVID died of AIDS.

ROBERTS: Jump his f****** ass.

From Page 4 YOUNG: DAVID died of AIDS anyway.

ROBERTS: Stinking bastards. Dirty motherf*****....

YOUNG: .... I left DAVID, he was down on the beach. KIT came to me, right, after I .... right ....

ROBERTS: For a strike.

YOUNG: For a strike. Came back, boom. He left. So, anyway, I gave, I gave him my number said, look my number boom. So, that was on Thursday next week, from Thursday phone rang, who the f***'s this here, I told him, boy, the f***, it was him. Look, who's this here. It's DAVID. Who the f*** DAVID man, you was up my house last week, man. Oh, what can I do for you, look I need another one of those things tomorrow for noon.

ROBERTS: You mans probably got money.

YOUNG: Yeah look um um ROBERTS: You said he lives up by John SWAN up there.

YOUNG: Um, um.

ROBERTS: They say John SWAN's daughters on all that shit to you know. You know her.

DILLAS: Yeah I know her.

ROBERTS: You know here....

YOUNG: I know they smoke collie. Yeah .... beach I know .... country. So I got there about ten thirty right and put ounce in the trash can. About that time that f****** new school they had there. That weren't there you know, that weren't there you know. That was not there. When you say, when you say first outside the f****** gate, the big first gate .... car parked down by the steps.

YOUNG: No, no you don't know him. F***.

ROBERTS: ....

YOUNG: Hey look, I'll get the car to move that. I got the thing. I came back.

Yeah safe, safe, safe, boom, boom two weeks ago now, I was driving f****** well Harbour road Paget, and this f****** car stops, spins round, comes flying after me .... he got f****** caught. Um that guy.... bie .... That guy died about five f****** year ago bie, died died f****** AIDS, five years ago. When I came up here ..... the f****** paper.

ROBERTS: So how do you come know JAMES.

DILLAS: Oh.

ROBERTS: How long you know him anyhow.

YOUNG: Since about f****** '88, about '88. I spoke to him. I spoke to him, it was a football game out the Rec. ... The Rec he was standing next to these guys and used to be ex Prison Officers and at that time my uncle SHORTER was up here right .... busters brother.

ROBERTS: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

YOUNG: Right ....

ROBERTS: Yeah, yeah, yeah man.

YOUNG: Right, f******.... he said he used to be ex-prisoner officer, oh well then, I said well know uncle.. .. yeah .... him, him, I said how long you .... your boy say um um something eighteen months something like there .... well I .... f****** up there about two months ago. Yeah well.... people up there and you know up there .... and I didn't see him again until about after '89. Around um um, um um, after .... to up the .... Labour day.

ROBERTS: September Labour day.

YOUNG: Labour day OK. Labour day I saw him around there um, COLLIE was there and he wasn't suppose to be there he was working then.

ROBERTS: ....

YOUNG: BEAN round the .... right. So he was working for a while and we were talking sh** and I finally came .... like, like every so often .... and the next time I saw him up he f****** up .... he came out by the shop .... him, I, I always suspected that he was into something ..... people found that you know what I mean I really couldn't, I really couldn't couldn't you know, couldn't really put it together. Not till I had came jail, no, yeah after I came jail and he got, came up here, he had talked that where we had met each other before right ....

ROBERTS: He was using drugs.

YOUNG: No, he never told me, he never said that .... drugs, I assume weed, I assume weed he never spoken before about drugs, I assume weed .... you know what I'm saying, I can't understand that, so I didn't assume drugs, you know what I'm saying. Then .... boom, boom boom .... they gone, the next f****** day .... you come up here .... and you .... f***....

ROBERTS: .....

YOUNG: .....

ROBERTS: No, no, no that must happen before, you got up here when I came up I found you up here. I found you up here when they came back, when the cops brought back from the States, I found you up here.

YOUNG: Yeah but, but I came up here last year you know. I came back up here .... I came back up here.

ROBERTS: Oh I, Oh I just I thought you were up here.

YOUNG: No, I was up here but I left and came back remember.

ROBERTS: Oh no (Laughter).

YOUNG: Remember I left and I came back bie, left and came back.

ROBERTS: Ok.

YOUNG: I left and came back. I had left and came back and again. I was on remand the for two weeks and I came back and ....

ROBERTS: And then you got out.

YOUNG: Right .... last year, just came back.

ROBERTS: But you were telling me something about.

YOUNG: Yeah, the boy .....

ROBERTS: When was that der, before you got locked up.

YOUNG: Last time, last time.

ROBERTS: You got last time.

YOUNG: Right, when you came up, when you came up here, when you up here, I was already here.

ROBERTS: So that means I yeah, yeah you left, that's when, when when you left, that's when you met.

YOUNG: ..... then I came back and took you.

ROBERTS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

YOUNG: I saw you .... to me, one I first saw you up top, down reception cell.

ROBERTS: So you was selling the things round there, drugs and all, whatever.

YOUNG: .... `cause he had given me an extra couple. Given me an extra .... I was up 'til about eight that night waiting, waiting, waiting. He came across me, find the woman sh** .... saying, things are rough.

ROBERTS: He didn't give you something.

YOUNG: Yeah, told me ....

ROBERTS: What, you think he was trying to line you up with the cops. That's a motherf***** there, boy I tell you. I'm still baffled on how that man could bring sh** down my house on the night and next day, the cops come down my house.

YOUNG: .... April .... I left here end of April, I was only out of jail, and f****** well .... and came back. That's when I got my f****** time. That's when I had f****** well .... like a shot .... was still in the house right there .... he took shots to get drunk, right, triple black, triple scotch, triple vodka, chaser .... cigarettes and bam I took all the .... and f****** .... carried the sh**. So, I saw the car there and I started walking down the hill.

ROBERTS: ....

YOUNG: .... past .... weeks. I'd been set up .... He said you want some credit, I said, oh, no, I'm cool, partner, I got the money, don't need no credit .... This guy here come straight forward .... in here ....

ROBERTS: I told you. He told the man where I was, where it was.

YOUNG: That's pricking .... that's pricking .... bie f*** you know what I mean. F****** went down CEASAR's house .... you know .... beer that night too ....

ROBERTS: He told you meet him by his house.

YOUNG: Yer, that the .... place.

ROBERTS: F*** how many other guys that working for him.

YOUNG: F***, f*** I don't know that there right, I don't know that, I don't know that .... I ....

ROBERTS: Yer, yer, he's doing all the .... then.

YOUNG: Yer .... cause I thought that might saw that, they drove in across .... there upstairs in CHARLIE's room right, and MING'S with me in there, see he find, he gave no .... in there too, and was cool with you ....

ROBERTS: What you mean, if you had known me.

YOUNG: Yer, but he doesn't he, he don't know that, he don't know that, he don't f****** know that.

ROBERTS: So when I, when I talked to you, when you came back jail on the second time.

YOUNG: No, no that was the first time.

ROBERTS: No ....

YOUNG: The first time you found me up here JULES.

ROBERTS: Yer I know.

YOUNG: I've been .... them .... We did reason we did.

ROBERTS: When I told you, you say yer. I believe you told me that the same rap, that you ....

YOUNG: That's the second time.

ROBERTS: Second time.

YOUNG: That was the second time, that was the um last time we came back. Me and my ....

ROBERTS: Yer, yer you did the same the second time, I told you that there.

YOUNG: .... when we came up here I was leaving like f****** five weeks time. I was thinking about this now, I was .... cause um GAI .... GAINES was saying to me before he left, but he say he was going to do his thing . ... boss. I was down the section .... we would check me when you get out.

Chat when we get out you know. I didn't even really pay him no f****** mind.

ROBERTS: ....

YOUNG: .... same guy .... Jules was talking about, who's got the ....

the understanding that he has about .... and all that there. I just kept that in my mind, know what I'm saying. Just kept that in my mind, till when I saw him and he gave me collie. I said, yeah, this guy must be f****** cool, man. You know what I'm saying.

UNKNOWN: Yeah.

UNKNOWN: He must be cool .... bullsh**, then ROBERTS: Oh, I see what you're saying, I see.

YOUNG: Then I went on the street ....

ROBERTS: .... I talked to you out the back out there.

YOUNG: You found me out there, without him .... I came back here, dropped ....

ROBERTS: Well, I was talkin', to BUBBA. I was talkin to BUBBA, right and BUBBA was saying yeah, that guy ....

YOUNG: .... Right here, walking right through the yard.

UNKNOWN: That's right.

YOUNG: I ain't five .... I just think you weren't 'cause my room it go from number eight .... answer the gate.

ROBERTS: That's right. I been five feet, I'm telling you.

YOUNG: .... when I came back he was boozin' again, right and, what ....

um, he was on my mind, he was on my mind. He was on my mind upstairs ....

the second time I talked to you right. Upstairs, and he said, yeah, bo, I can't .... talk to you later.

ROBERTS: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

YOUNG: And then he talked the word.

ROBERTS: That's right. The second time.

YOUNG: I came back, I came back and then, after a couple, a couple of weeks later, no, I mean about two months after, yeah, man, talk to you later. Watch that guy I'm telling you, watch that guy, he mean't BUBBA ....

ROBERTS: Yeah, man, he's wicked, boy.

YOUNG: And then I got out, I got out, and f******.

UNKNOWN: ....

ROBERTS: That's one of the wickedest men I've ever come in contact with, boy.

That's one .... good friends and looking out for you, you know that there.

They're trying to take you out, mate.

YOUNG: That's why in one sense, right like I said, when you first told me right. Knows that the guy has just left, right. Does he ever, right, told me, right. When he first told me about it all he had said was that the guy pricked on him, watch that guy .... he said watch that guy, watch that guy ....

my boy wouldn't be like that there, I'm telling you ....

ROBERTS: Wouldn't surprise me. I never thought, it never crossed my mind see what I'm saying I never would have had the slightest idea that that guy was into that sort of sh**, see what I'm saying. I mean .... I'm so f***** up.

I knew I was gonna have to go to Court.

YOUNG: Look up my record down there I came f****** jail twice last year, boy.

ROBERTS: Yeah, man, that's what was eating me. That sh**, boy. F***. These guy's supposed to be a friend. I don't feel like going to Court .... I was going go court and lie. I said look all this sh** from down this island here I always wanna leave. Then when he offered the .. .. I said I'll ....

That's why two days before the case I was gone you know, I was, in my mind, two days, three days before the case, I was planning go f****** Court. I was on my way to court.

YOUNG: .... yep.

ROBERTS: My mind was, in my mind was shucks man when I go court I'm gonna tell the man, I'm not .... nobody but the lawyer.

YOUNG: .... to you.

ROBERTS: No he told me that ya gonna do time. I said to myself well I ain't doing time for no f****** body. I didn't tell him that.

YOUNG: Right.

ROBERTS: He must have got the wiff of it .... I told him already I'm not waiting for .... I not going to jail. Had his mind .... So I say ya f*** it. Know how case is anyhow, the case stinks. Everybody wants to talk ....

want everything ya got. Hey let me tell you, out there, I ain't got no guys ain't my friends you know, all women are my friends and none of em f****** smoke. None of em don't drink, they don't cuss.

YOUNG: Yeah.

ROBERTS: Decent people. I never could trust the guys man. You know there's friends, there's friends even the guys in the band they weren't too much my friends. We were hanging out and all that.

YOUNG: Just acquaintances.

ROBERTS: Yeah just acquaintances. Business, when it came down to business time to f****** well play music . ... bang. Time to f****** well operate, run the show or clean up whatever. Bang after that dere, gone.

UNKNOWN: That's it.

YOUNG: You see it.

ROBERTS: Yeah. Yeah man when that guy done that dere man I said f***, a good twenty that guy's gotta do. A nice wife, nice kid, had a good job.

YOUNG: What video business he have.

ROBERTS: Used to have a video business right up across from um, you know where St. Pauls AME is. You know Joell's Alley see Joell's Alley.

YOUNG: Oh that.

ROBERTS: Right on the corner there was a record and video store there.

YOUNG: Yes.

ROBERTS: Some guy VICTOR.

YOUNG: Right.

ROBERTS: Well VICTOR had the record side and he had a video side.

YOUNG: Across from Peoples Pharmacy now.

ROBERTS: Across Peoples Pharmacy.

YOUNG: Where the clinic is yeah. Noffin there now.

ROBERTS: Yeah I said bie f*** like .... that's what really really got to me like .... you know nobody took the blame for me you know nobody never took no blame for me. Ain't nobody never took no blame for me. When I really think about it and look back on my life man those f****** are worthless mother f****** .... I don't play no games for nobody no f****** more. Like to see down .... round there. At least he got .....

YOUNG: ....

ROBERTS: Yeah last. year.

YOUNG: End of last year.

ROBERTS: Yeah November last year.

YOUNG: ....

ROBERTS: Yeah he made up all kinds, what it was he was .... jail. So his showing me, I said now hey don't bring that f****** sh** round me f*** that.

Don't bring that sh** round me.

YOUNG: So his ....

ROBERTS: Yeah. Don't bring that sh** round me ya got it, you do it ....

pipe, put the pipe in my locker so I told him hey man if the man comes to me and finds that f****** pipe in my locker I'm not taking no blame. I'm gonna say it's yours see it. So he got all, attitude all irritated .... one .... getting all .... one morning I wake up right his making a big fuss over the f****** fish pot.

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