Environment Minister Mr. Julian Hall , who was himself expelled from the House of Assembly yesterday after arguing with the Speaker.

Mr. Hall was suspended for three sittings and his Progressive Labour Party colleagues marched out in support.

The debate began with an angry condemnation of Mr. Hall by the UBP's Dr. David Dyer .

Dr. Dyer criticised remarks by Mr. Hall on ZBM's News & Views television programme. In a telephone call to the talk show, Mr. Hall had said that several of the most prominent black Bermudians -- the Premier, Senate President, Police Commissioner and Chief Justice, do not have "real power''.

Such claims were a "grave disservice to the people of Bermuda and to the ongoing policy of Bermudianisation''.

The Bermudian public "must have some disquiet'' with the Progressive Labour Party, he said, if it calls for Bermudianisation and then, when Bermudians are promoted imply that it is "tokenism''.

"This is a total insult to any Bermudian,'' he said. "...One day they ask for Bermudians in top posts, and then they say to people who assume these posts that they are Uncle Toms.'' The PLP, he said, "is confused''.

Mr. Hall called Dr. Dyer's speech "rambling and incoherent'' criticism of remarks "he says I made''.

The television programme in question was about institutional racism, and the remarks were made in that context.

He said he had called into the programme to disagree with a statement that blacks like the Premier, the Chief Justice and the Police Commissioner "have real power to combat and eradicate institutionalised racism''.

This newspaper, which he called a "daily hate poster'', was then used "to set me up in some sort of manufactured attack''. Sir John Swan employed Sen.

Maxwell Burgess for the attack, he said, which was like being "savaged by a dead sheep''.

What he had said was "totally rewritten'' to make it appear he was attacking the character of the Chief Justice, Police Commissioner and Senate President.

He said he did not mind being attacked by UBP members. "I will take each one on, and I will take each one out.'' The Premier "has completely squandered his mandate, which was to try to achieve some semblance of equality'' for black Bermudians. But black Bermudians remain at the bottom of the pile, he said, noting the high proportion of blacks in prisons, and the absence of blacks on the Bank of Bermuda's executive.

Referring to earlier complaints by UBP MP Mrs. Grace Bell about Police victimising a young man, Mr. Hall asked why she didn't say the man as black.

"Of course the victim was black,'' he said. "No white person in Bermuda is treated that way.'' In the UBP ranks, he said, oppressed blacks have become caricatures of their oppressors It is easy for Health & Social Services Minister the Hon. Quinton Edness and Premier the Hon. Sir John Swan (both of whom are black) to attack him "because somehow they feel they can go to their white masters and get more power thereby''. "That's exactly how it happens,'' he said.

Quoting Malcolm X, Mr. Hall said he would respect a white man who embraced him freely, but a white man who was forced to embrace him was a hypocrite. White and blacks can talk about racism but "don't give us intellectual dishonesty''.

He never attacked the Chief Justice or the Commissioner, he repeated. "What I said was that they had no real power to attack institutionalised racism''.

Mr. Hall said the last black Police Commissioner, Mr. Frederick (Penny) Bean "never ran the Police Force.'' It was really run by his white deputy -- and successor -- Mr. Clive Donald.

"If we are sincere about combating institutionalised racism, let's go on and combat it,'' Mr. Hall concluded. "Let's be frank and honest.'' National Liberal Party leader Mr. Gilbert Darrell said power and money go hand in hand in every country. "Even in the United States you can't say Bush really runs the country,'' he said. "It's the people with the money, the people with the investments.'' That was a problem that must be addressed, he said.

Health & Social Services Minister the Hon. Quinton Edness said he listened carefully to the News & Views television programme and was pleaded to hear Mr.

Hall now clarify that he meant that the four prominent blacks had "no real power to attack institutionalised racism''.

But what he heard Mr. Hall say on the show was that these men had "no real power''.

"I think there's no doubt that the system in this country is perpetrating a great deal of inequality,'' Mr. Edness said. But it could not be instantly eliminated, he said.

It was at this point that the Speaker asked Mr. Hall, who was heckling Mr.

Edness, to stop speaking. Mr. Hall challenged the Speaker, the Speaker asked Mr. Hall to leave, and Mr. Hall called the speaker "bigoted and prejudiced''.

After Mr. Hall left the chamber, Mr. Edness said the Premier had done a great deal to help blacks.

He agreed with Mr. Darrell that power and money are related. The Premier's management of the economy had "caused many thousands of people to become more independent....There's a larger group of people who are much more independent than they were 10 years ago.'' "We have to recognise that things go on daily. ...People are being injured and treated differently because of their colour every day.'' This occurs in housing, and employment and "just in the general intercourse of life in this community''.

But Mr. Hall was wrong if he thought a "magic wand'' can be waved to eliminate it.

Mr. Hall "insults every black member on this side of the House'' by calling them "caricatures of their white masters.'' But the PLP remained a black party, he said. "The people of this Country are still going to ask if you have the credibility to create a relationship between the races that's progressive, that's tolerant, that's respectful.

"You have not gone out, you have not made the effort.'' The PLP is an institution, "and you have not gone out to get white representation''.

Instead, he said, it has been the philosophy of the PLP that they can win an election if they get the black vote. "You have totally forgotten about 40 percent of the population,'' he said.

Opposition Leader Mr. Frederick Wade questioned the Speaker's actions against Mr. Hall. "I can't see on what basis you had the right to do what you have done,'' he said.

Speaker the Hon. David Wilkinson said Mr. Hall "showed gross contempt for the Chair....The gross contempt was in coming here and arguing with me.'' Under House rules, an MP is suspended for three days for the first offence of disobeying the authority of the Speaker. The suspension was approved by a 15 to 10 vote, with the UBP members and NLP Leader Mr. Darrell voting against the PLP members.

Mr. Wade said the PLP members would withdraw. He said they did not believe Mr.

Hall's "initial behaviour'' warranted suspension.

Mr. Wilkinson said he did not suspend Mr. Hall for his initial behaviour, but because he continued.

Finance Minister the Hon. David Saul said nobody claimed Bermuda was perfect.

But it could accurately be described as a "model'' for racial integration.

Mr. Hall was "dishonest'' to say otherwise. He said tremendous improvement had occurred over the past 30 year, and he challenged anybody to name a country that did as well.

Nevertheless, Government knew there was a long way to go.

Delegated Affairs Minister the Hon. Sir John Sharpe said the public needed to understand what happened with Mr. Hall.

"The public needs to know that it was not his initial behaviour which caused his suspension. It was his subsequent behaviour in engaging the Speaker, in abusing the Speaker, in verbally assaulting the Speaker....That's what earned his suspension.

"I think even the Leader of the Opposition would agree that his subsequent behaviour was reprehensible.'' It was an "insult'' to say that the Premier had done nothing for the blacks of this country.

"It's more than unfortunate. It's a terrible thing to say about somebody who they know, who I know, has worked longer than most people, harder than most people, more caringly than most people, and made more personal sacrifices for this country than most people.'' Other people, "especially black people'', had been denigrated, he said. One was Mr. Frederick Bean, who served eight years as Police Commissioner and 35 years on the Police force.

To claim the force was run by his deputy "has got to be an insult to Fred Bean, who in fact led the Police Force''. "Nobody knew that better than his deputy.'' "To suggest that Fred Bean, a former Commissioner of Police, did not run the Police Force is an insult to the office and an insult to the man.'' The Opposition had made derogatory remarks "about black people occupying the highest offices in the land''.

"I think the Opposition seems to be obsessed with power,'' but absolute power carried dangers, he said. "Something far more important than power is in fact responsibility and authority.'' The men whose power was questioned are role models. A man like Sir John Swan is not just a role model for young black Bermudians but "for young Bermudians right across the board. ...If the PLP is in Government, will they not want respect for these offices?'' Sir John said the Government has done much for the black people of Bermuda.

And many of the progressive things done by Government "helped blacks more than they have helped whites -- because historically it has been blacks in this country who have been disadvantaged.'' "I don't think this Government -- certainly not this Premier -- needs to apologise for what he has done for the black people of this Country , for the white people of this country, for this Country itself.'' Mr. Harry Viera (Ind) said he was disturbed by PLP behaviour in recent weeks.

He referred to the party one day posturing itself as the alternative and viable government while its leading Parliamentary spokesman made irresponsible statements.

The PLP, he said, was paralysed from playing a role in Bermuda's labour-management problems.

"I am amazed that you can't get any member over there to be critical of the industrial insanity on this Island,'' he said.

Mr. Viera attacked Mr. Hall for aligning himself through quotations with Dr.

Martin Luther King Jr.

"How can he stand on the floor of this House and pretend to identify with him,'' he said.

Mr. Hall's "blanket accusation'' on Monday that Bermuda's leading black men had no power was an example of a kind of statement that Mr. King would never have indulged in.

Mr. Viera said PLP duplicity on its ability to lead the Country was further enhanced by its wholesale walkout from the House.

"I make a plea to the PLP to stop this duplicity, to stop this hypocrisy,'' he said. "We're not going to get anywhere with race relations if we have the kind of performance we've had here today.'' Premier the Hon. Sir John Swan (UBP) commended his colleague Sir John Sharpe for giving one of the finest speeches he had heard in his 20 years as a parliamentarian.

He said he was concerned about the Country's health and then referred to the rise of Hitler to suggest a lesson for Bermuda.

Sir John said Hitler rose to power at a time of economic depression when Germany was unable to get its footing. In his quest for power, he surrounded himself with clever people of no good intentions and ultimately they brought the country to its knees.

Sir John said Hitler could have followed an all-embracing philosophy but instead followed one of exclusion. When the dust settled millions of people, including six million Jews, were dead.

Power-seeking for power itself was dangerous, Sir John suggested. And he warned Bermudians to understand history as well as the history of hard times.

Noting two leading US black men, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, had been cited earlier, he said: "The difference between the two should be understood. King sought to embrace all men regardless of the colour of their skin or whatever station in life they were from, whatever social standing.'' Mr. King's message was one of brotherhood and common solutions.

Sir John said Malcolm X believed that the time had come for black men to rise up and use whatever means possible to take control.

"The United Bermuda Party,'' Sir John said, " has sought to be the party of inclusion. We live on this little Island isolated from the rest of the world, depending on our relations with the rest of the world.

"Tourists who come here are predominantly white. Whatever signal we send to them will determine their feeling of comfort.

"Businesses that come here are predominantly white. Business that have existed here for years are predominantly white.

"The United Bermuda Party recognises there has to be an embracement. We recognise the need to earn sufficient money to provide people with a good education, to provide people with good health, to provide people houses and to Sir John said the UBP recognised the need to create for people the daily expectation of security and an expectation for a positive future.

He said the process of improving people's lives through a democratic embrace was hard to stop though it remained vulnerable to demagogues.

As an example of improving the lot of people, Sir John said Government work on the Pembroke Dump was being done so the people of Pembroke East and Pembroke East Central could feel as comfortable with their neighbourhood as the people of nearby Fairylands.

The Premier called the Opposition strange and seemingly divorced from reality.

The changes, he said, would bring societies back to the levels of the past, before the unusual performance of the 1980s.

"Bermuda is feeling the fallout,'' he said.

Yet the Opposition is seeking to change the political agenda away from the serious challenges facing the Island, the Premier charged.

Instead of talking about new job possibilities and re-training or working to embrace the changing world economy, the Opposition wanted to talk about race.

"That's not going to put food on the table, or educate children or create a job to go to,'' he said. "I believe that because (the UBP) is an embracing party that thinks that Bermudians, both black and white, recognise that we all have to live together on this small Island, that we have a collective responsibility to look after the affairs of the country...'' Sir John referred to Mr. Hall's statement that the Premier, the Chief Justice, the Senate President and the Police Commissioner were men without power.

"Really what they're saying is that we're Uncle Tom's and that all we're doing is their master's work.'' He rejected the assertion, saying their work and thoughts had been geared to internal and external realities and that "we truly are our brothers' keeper, that we must sit down and reconcile our differences.'' Sir John said the PLP should be more open to people.

"If they held its hand out whites would join and the party would be better for it,'' he said. "You can't beat up on it, insult them and kick and scream that white people are all basically evil. You must reconcile.

"We have to do it everyday as a Government. We have to tax the business community. We have work with them in terms of getting them to come to Bermuda.'' The work extended to Washington, London and Canada, he said.

"We're doing it all the time. What the Opposition must understand is that power must be exercised judiciously.

"The real plea I make to the Opposition is to get back into this House and get on with business of the people.'' He advised Opposition Leader Mr. Wade not to let Mr. Hall detract the Opposition away from it could achieve as a party.

"We all share a collective responsibility and, more importantly, we all have responsibility for role models, whatever our party or political objective, to be a role model for our young people.

"Blacks have an even greater responsibility for not tearing down role models that they aspire to.'' Sir John suggested that Opposition "Uncle Tom'' comments might create the institutional racism they were fighting without realising it.

"You can't denigrate the very progress that is so essential in creating the kind of integration, the sharing of equity and opportunity'' that is vital to Bermuda, he said.

WHAT MR. HALL SAID The following is a verbatim transcript of Mr. Julian Hall's comments on last Monday's News and Views television programme.

"In respect to the observations I think were made by (Progressive Youth Leader) Rolfe Commissiong that there are few blacks with real power, ( Royal Gazette Editor) Mr. David White quickly piped in that we have a Premier who is black and a Chief Justice and a Senate President.

"None of these people, even by their own admission, possess any degree of real power as we have come to understand it, not the least of which is the Premier, who is always in the habit of fobbing off a lot of things that happened to blacks particularly in this community as things over which he has little or no control.'' The Hon. Sir John Sharpe The Hon. Sir John Swan Mr. Julian Hall Mr. Frederick Wade.